Pad size and its impact on polishing power

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a little something I put together for the technical library over on SCGforums.com... figured it might be of use here.

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A great deal of time is spent discussing the various foam types and face design of pads, but very little attention is paid to the pads diameter and thickness. One could make the case that these factors are just as important as the cutting power of the pad itself. This article will discuss the various aspects of pad size and how that impacts your results when working with a dual action or random orbital polisher.

PAD DIAMETER AND AREA
There are a number of aspects that go into choosing the right pad size for the task at hand. Obviously, the most readily seen is the 'does it fit?' principle where you may need a smaller pad to work on more intricate or small spaces, but the diameter also begins to play a role in two other areas.

A pad with a larger diameter is going to feature a larger polishing area, which carries with it benefits as well as drawbacks. In terms of positives the increased area means you will be addressing a larger amount of the surface, more pad contact means more paint getting polished at once. As we can all likely remember from high school geometry, the area of a circle is calculated as "Pi(R2)" so comparing 2 common sized pad options below we can see the difference in the area the pad contacts:​

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As you can see above, a difference as small as 1" in diameter actually translates to an overall difference in area of almost 10". Thats a significant amount of contact area being addressed. This increased contact area, while a benefit in terms of how much surface is addressed at once, has another side effect that actually reduces polishing power.

As those of us familiar with machine polishing know, in addition to the orbital movement of the pad an amount of rotation is necessary to maximize correction. The increased drag created by the additional area in the example above will cause the rotation of a non-forced-rotation machine (like the Porter Cable) to slow or stall with much less pressure. Because some amount of pressure is necessary to achieve correction this creates a situation where the user is constantly attempting to balance between the appropriate pressure and rotation - two forces at odds with each other due to the drag created by the large contact patch.​

PAD DIAMETER AND CIRCUMFERENCE / ROTATION
The other area impacted by diameter of a pad is circumference and in turn rotation. A smaller diameter pad must rotate significantly faster to travel the same distance. This principle can be demonstrated and observed with gears of different sizes in a transmission - the smaller gears much rotate at a much higher rate of speed to keep up with the rotation of an adjoining larger gear.

When we break down the circumference of the two most common sized pads we can generate a ratio that helps us understand how fast the smaller pad must rotate to equal the same rotation as the larger pad:

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The ratio of 1:1.18 means that with all other factors being equal, the outer edge of 5.5" pad will rotate 1.18 times for every rotation of 6.5" pad. Now while this might not seem like much, but if calculated out over the duration of a paint correction at the high speeds of a machine the implications become more substantial. Again, with all other factors being equal, if a 6.5" pad is moving at 480rpm on a tool like the Flex 3401, the equivalent 5.5" pad is rotating at a speed of 566.4rpm an 86.4rpm gain.​

PAD HEIGHT AND MECHANICAL TRANSFER
A factor often overlooked in pad choice is the overall height of the pad and its impact on the machines ability to transfer movement to the surface. Again, just like drivetrain loss in a vehicle where the 'slack' in the transmission, flexibility in the drive shaft, and the energy exerted to rotate these components before the power actually reaches the wheels, then the pavement - a polisher has to transfer its orbital movement and rotation thru the spindle, the backing plate, the pad, and into the paints surface. All of these parts have an impact on the translation of that mechanical force, none more than the foam pad.

Borrowing an excellent analogy to represent this concept from my friend and extremely well respected detailer Todd Helme, imagine a 10ft tall pad and you standing on a ladder at the top. If you wiggled that pad at the top in a short orbital stroke the top would move, but by the time that energy reached the bottom it would be completely absorbed and the bottom of the pad wouldn't move at all. The farther that orbital movement has to pass thru the foam the weaker it becomes until its absorbed completely.

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The same concept applies, at a much smaller scale in thicker vs. thinner pads. The taller the pad, the more energy is absorbed and thats less energy reaching the face of the pads, ultimately weakening your correcting power. On the flip side thinner pads minimize the loss of movement and translate more of the full movement to the face of the pad.

So why not make super thin pads? There are a few reasons - because reducing the thickness of the pad reduces the energy absorbed more vibration will be transferred back to the operator which can lead to discomfort. Also, a thinner pad will be less able to flex over contours or complex surfaces making polishing on anything other than perfectly flat panels more difficult. Lastly theres the issue of durability as a thin pad can tend to deteriorate quickly under the stress and then you risk a backing plate mistakenly cutting thru a pad and contacting a painted surface.

On average most pads will range between 0.875" to 1.5" thick and even microfiber pads feature a foam backing layer. Because there is a variety and a number of options out there it gives us as detailers the ability to choose a pad that balances our need for correcting power with comfort and utility on complex panels.​

THE IMPACT ON MICROFIBER PADS
Microfiber cutting and polishing pads are a more recent addition to the world of detailing and have already began to be featured in a variety of configurations. One common thread among all of them is the use of a foam backing. As mentioned above this is to give the pad some flexibility over complex surfaces as well as to absorb some of the vibration from the machine for user comfort.

Because the intention of microfiber is to cut quickly the preferred pads in this area feature a thinner foam backing. This ensures as much of the polishing power is transferred to the microfiber face and correcting ability is maximized.

Thicker backed microfiber pads have also shown to delaminate more frequently due to the high friction, heat, and stress placed on the foam backing making thin microfiber pads preferred in most all situations to which they are suited.
PARTING THOUGHTS
When choosing your pads for paint correction and other machine tasks there is always going to be some level of compromise. Make sure you evaluate your needs and don't limit yourself with just a few sizes and heights, having a variety of pads at your disposal will give you more options to work with.

Choose smaller, thin pads when you want to maximize your correcting/polishing power, but realize this means a reduction in the surface are you can impact at once and you'll also deal with an increased amount of vibration from your polisher.

Select thicker larger OD pads when you don't need as much correction, but want to speed up the application process by treating more surface at once. In terms of comfort these pads will minimize the feedback vibration you experience as well.​
 
PAD DIAMETER AND CIRCUMFERENCE / ROTATION
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The ratio of 1:1.18 means that with all other factors being equal, the outer edge of 5.5" pad will rotate 1.18 times for every rotation of 6.5" pad. Now while this might not seem like much, but if calculated out over the duration of a paint correction at the high speeds of a machine the implications become more substantial. Again, with all other factors being equal, if a 6.5" pad is moving at 480rpm on a tool like the Flex 3401, the equivalent 5.5" pad is rotating at a speed of 566.4rpm an 86.4rpm gain.
im confused on how the smaller pad is spinning faster?
 
Its easier if you picture it as 2 gears of different sizes locked together... if you put drive to the larger gear it will spin much slower than the small gear its attached to. Overdrive gear or a gear ratios for a rear end and their impact on gas mileage vs. acceleration is a good illustration of the same concept.

Taking it a step further, lets say you were going to roll the pads 1 mile (5280ft or 63,630 inches) for some crazy reason

The 6.5" pad would make 9,748 rotations to travel that distance.
The 5.5" pad would make 11,520 rotation to travel that distance.

In order for both pads to reach the 1 mile mark at the same time the 5.5" pad would have to make up that 1,772 additional revolutions by spinning faster. Make sense?
 
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Its easier if you picture it as 2 gears of different sizes locked together... if you put drive to the larger gear it will spin much slower than the small gear its attached to. Reverse it, put the drive thru the small gear, it will spin really fast in comparison to the larger gear its attached to.
i understand that, what i didn't understand is what we were keeping the same
 
i understand that, what i didn't understand is what we were keeping the same

The drive of the machine - in this case a polisher - if the input at the center is say 200rpm, that 'rpm' is reduced the farther away from the center of the pad you get, so a 6.5" pad at its edge is spinning slower than the 5.5" pad is. If we had a 20" polishing pad the outer edge of that would be spinning really slow, but if we had a 2" polishing pad hooked to that same drive at the same speed its would be hauling butt
 
The drive of the machine - in this case a polisher - if the input at the center is say 200rpm, that 'rpm' is reduced the farther away from the center of the pad you get, so a 6.5" pad at its edge is spinning slower than the 5.5" pad is. If we had a 20" polishing pad the outer edge of that would be spinning really slow, but if we had a 2" polishing pad hooked to that same drive at the same speed its would be hauling butt
if you keep rpm the same the surface speed gets faster as you get farther from center not slower
 
Take a 30" tire and a 40" tire. Cut them so they both lay completely flat on the ground. Which is longer? The 40". Therefore, it would take less flat 40" tires than flat 30" tires to cover the same distance.
 
if you keep rpm the same the surface speed gets faster as you get farther from center not slower

No.

The distance traveled becomes greater, but the RPM is slower the farther it gets from the center of the rotation.

Go back to the tire thing -

If you have 2 identical trucks, going the exact same speed, and traveling the exact same distance.

Truck A has 40" tires on it
Truck B has 30" tires on it

Truck A's tires will spin fewer times (fewer RPM) to reach the finish line.
Truck B's tires will have to spin faster to maintain the same speed (more RPM) to reach the finish line at the same time as Truck A

So working that backwards - if we spin the hubs of both trucks at the exact same speed that rotation as it travels farther from the center of the hub becomes slower in terms of REVOLUTIONS. The distance the outer edge of the tire travels a farther distance, but completes fewer full rotations in the same amount of time. Truck A will move faster, but its tires will spin fewer times. Truck B will move slower, but its tires will rotate more times.

I think where the confusion is coming in is I'm talking strictly in terms of RPM, not surface speed. Surface speed doesn't matter as much in terms of polishing b/c the amount of area the speed is distributed over with a larger pad vs. small. The smaller pad rotating at a higher rate of speed will concentrate that RPM into more polishing power.
 
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Experienced this when I polished my door with my new griots da. Right out of the gate I went with a 5.5 microfiber cutting pad and definitely got some hazing from the compound I used. Also noticed some micro marring but I dont know if that was already there or I had introduced it with too much pressure and the smaller surface area. Polishing is just so intricate it take a lot of balance and finding the right point
 
You said a polisher that spins 200rpm... keep rpm same so truck a turning the wheels 200rpm will go faster than truck b turning the wheels 200 rpm
The point 3.5" from the center will spin the same speed on both pads

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